tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post3044099437898812609..comments2023-10-24T08:33:10.354-04:00Comments on Reformed Leftist (& Friends): Racist Republicans Going Obama!Paul Huehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01276182482853030605noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-62054304275292010542007-05-14T11:06:00.000-04:002007-05-14T11:06:00.000-04:00Even these kids have the power to make certain cho...Even these kids have the power to make certain choices, such as to study, to behave in school, to read, to refrain from harming the property and persons of others, etc. I suppose you would have them do whatever they like until you can convince congress to pass massive legislation that will .... what? <BR/><BR/>"Give them jobs"? "Give them money"? <BR/><BR/>I don't understand what you can "give" Paul Huehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01276182482853030605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-42877557805860831842007-05-10T21:09:00.000-04:002007-05-10T21:09:00.000-04:00"Of course many students in these schools choose t..."Of course many students in these schools choose to student and conduct themselves constructively, but their efforts get undermined by the poor choices of their classmates, and also their administrators."<BR/><BR/>I went to an inner city high school.<BR/><BR/>DeWitt Clinton HS in the Bronx, NYC. An all boys school when I attended. Went co-ed in 1985.<BR/><BR/>I graduated 77th in grade rank in a uptownsetevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09916602253506986040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-33667072071902208522007-05-10T10:44:00.000-04:002007-05-10T10:44:00.000-04:00Steve: I am not saying that black folks today have...Steve: I am not saying that black folks today have as much help overall from the government as honkies did in the 50s and 60s, merely that there exists today a different set of resources. And in many regards, blacks today certainly have more resources available to them than they did back in the 50s an 60s. The question I have: of the black folks living in poverty, to what extent are they availingPaul Huehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01276182482853030605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-9172984961586555262007-05-10T10:33:00.000-04:002007-05-10T10:33:00.000-04:00Welfare and social service programs have been cut ...Welfare and social service programs have been cut drastically over the last 12 years and these programs don't provide JOBS which are essential to keeping families together and people productive.<BR/><BR/>Why doesn't the Congress propose a Homestead Act for the inner city?<BR/><BR/>Low interest loans for entrepenuers and home builders who will operate in the inner city.<BR/><BR/>You and I both uptownsetevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09916602253506986040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-19754976556549813052007-05-10T06:49:00.000-04:002007-05-10T06:49:00.000-04:00New opportunities:No legal or de facto Jim Crow, i...New opportunities:<BR/><BR/>No legal or de facto Jim Crow, in housing, education, and employment<BR/><BR/>New resources:<BR/><BR/>Welfare and social services programs;<BR/>Explosion of spending on government schools, including in many areas such as DC and Detroit where poor black districts receive as much per student funding as wealthy white districts.Paul Huehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01276182482853030605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-71924651794434459952007-05-09T16:47:00.000-04:002007-05-09T16:47:00.000-04:00"However, a different set of opportunities and gov..."However, a different set of opportunities and govt resources exist today than existed back in those days,"<BR/><BR/>Like what?uptownsetevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09916602253506986040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-31703353939526877752007-05-09T13:19:00.000-04:002007-05-09T13:19:00.000-04:00One of the people at the wedding I mentioned is a ...One of the people at the wedding I mentioned is a former president of both Howard U and Morgan State. He attended U of Chi with Tom Sowell, as a fellow Economics Phd under the direction of Milton Friedman. This guy and I spent a great deal of time talking, and his son and I lined up next to each other in the wedding party, and his daughter was my match from the bride's maid line. <BR/><BR/>I Paul Huehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01276182482853030605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-27086510326441432292007-05-09T12:18:00.000-04:002007-05-09T12:18:00.000-04:00I think that you make some good points about all t...I think that you make some good points about all the govt assistance available during the times of black subjugation, which is unavailable now. <BR/><BR/>However, a different set of opportunities and govt resources exist today than existed back in those days, and the question is: to what extent are people availing themselves? As you and I agree, a huge fraction of black folks today are performingPaul Huehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01276182482853030605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-57151349158142205762007-05-08T17:15:00.000-04:002007-05-08T17:15:00.000-04:00This is utter nonsense.The fact of the matter is t...This is utter nonsense.<BR/><BR/>The fact of the matter is that the US Government financed the white urban ethnic and southern whites ascension into the middle class.<BR/><BR/>Read Ira Katznelson's wonderful chronicle "When Affirmative Action was White".<BR/><BR/>If you're interested in truth, that is.<BR/><BR/>After WWII, the government offered housing loans with zero interest to white veterans uptownsetevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09916602253506986040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-44272369198355332872007-05-08T15:08:00.000-04:002007-05-08T15:08:00.000-04:00In poor neighborhoods with high crime rates, the p...In poor neighborhoods with high crime rates, the people responsible live there. Though only a minority commit the crimes that cause the majority to live in fear, lose property value, and pay high insurance rates, this does not change the fact that the people responsible for these problems are themselves residents. <BR/><BR/>Others in such neighborhoods who have enough dignity, self-respect, and Paul Huehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01276182482853030605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-1942348861016454732007-05-08T15:06:00.000-04:002007-05-08T15:06:00.000-04:00And are these corporate pilferers like Ken Lay, De...And are these corporate pilferers like Ken Lay, Dennis Kozloski, and Bernard Ebbers any less criminal than a street mugger?<BR/><BR/>They're all thieves only the technique is different.<BR/><BR/>I believe that given a "choice" the street mugger would have chosen to play the corporate criminal game.<BR/><BR/>That way you don't get your hands dirty.uptownsetevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09916602253506986040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-8391694228158943352007-05-08T14:33:00.000-04:002007-05-08T14:33:00.000-04:00How can you blame the residents of high crime area...How can you blame the residents of high crime areas when most of them are not criminals?<BR/><BR/>Most street crimes are perpetuated by young poor uneducated men. <BR/><BR/>"The people who wish to extract themselves from poverty and earn themselves a safe home and affluence have a very high likelihood by making a few smart choices each day."<BR/><BR/>This is just silly simplistic rightwing up by uptownsetevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09916602253506986040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-18707576518956522312007-05-08T14:20:00.000-04:002007-05-08T14:20:00.000-04:00Hmm. I think I'm missing the point now. I don't th...Hmm. I think I'm missing the point now. I don't think that I blame black folks for crime, but rather in any low income, high crime area I blame the residents for their own problems, whatever "race" you may assign those residents. I agree that areas of any "race" with the same income profile the same crime rates and types of crimes manifest. The people who wish to extract themselves from poverty Paul Huehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01276182482853030605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-16629147084873632172007-05-08T09:28:00.000-04:002007-05-08T09:28:00.000-04:00"I also readily understand that although today bla..."I also readily understand that although today blacks dominate certain crime statistics, 99+% of blacks commit no crimes, just as whites dominate serial killing and mass murder stats, but only a tinsey fraction of crackers commit these crimes."<BR/><BR/>So why is race such an important element for you when DISCUSSING crime?<BR/><BR/>And don't say that it isn't.uptownsetevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09916602253506986040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-55270523263441350102007-05-08T08:24:00.000-04:002007-05-08T08:24:00.000-04:00Steve: You keep repeating points that I have made ...Steve: You keep repeating points that I have made myself, as if I do not already share your views on these matters. I have stressed before that in previous generations, various groups of honkies have dominated the crime statistics. <BR/><BR/>I also readily understand that although today blacks dominate certain crime statistics, 99+% of blacks commit no crimes, just as whites dominate serial Paul Huehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01276182482853030605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-28780672932265923532007-05-07T16:58:00.000-04:002007-05-07T16:58:00.000-04:00"Only a very ignorant person would conclude that b..."Only a very ignorant person would conclude that because blacks account for half of all US murders that police should seek murder suspects in affluent black areas."<BR/><BR/>And only a racist would keep stressing that BLACKS account for half of all US murders when it is 1% of the black population engaged in this behavior.<BR/><BR/>Criminals commit murder.uptownsetevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09916602253506986040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-30064397494245950202007-05-07T16:52:00.000-04:002007-05-07T16:52:00.000-04:00"The race-crime statistics do not suggest to any i..."The race-crime statistics do not suggest to any intelligent, knowledgeable person that the answer to any murder or car-jacking will be found in the many affluent black areas in which such crimes rarely occur, but rather among the residents of the areas in which they occur, which is usually poor, and of these poor areas, disproportionately black."<BR/><BR/>I defy anyone to prove that in cities uptownsetevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09916602253506986040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-47813628474329779822007-05-07T16:36:00.000-04:002007-05-07T16:36:00.000-04:00Steve writes: "...my belief that when blacks, whit...Steve writes: "...my belief that when blacks, whites and anybody else start from the same place, blacks do as well as everyone else. We have a stagnant, relatively isolated inner city underclass predominately black and latino which bring average achievement statistics down when categorized by race."<BR/>=======================<BR/><BR/>I agree, but with the following addition: people making the Paul Huehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01276182482853030605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-24041348921202254922007-05-07T16:34:00.000-04:002007-05-07T16:34:00.000-04:00No, Steve, none of these lessons from you are "sin...No, Steve, none of these lessons from you are "sinking in" as I already understand and advocate them. The race-crime statistics do not suggest to any intelligent, knowledgeable person that the answer to any murder or car-jacking will be found in the many affluent black areas in which such crimes rarely occur, but rather among the residents of the areas in which they occur, which is usually poor, Paul Huehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01276182482853030605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-22653309031994429712007-05-07T14:29:00.000-04:002007-05-07T14:29:00.000-04:00"However, you yourself insist that black folks in ..."However, you yourself insist that black folks in the US are doing as well as anybody else, that they are typically affluent scholars."<BR/><BR/>That's not exactly what I said.<BR/><BR/>Every place I've ever been or every experience I've ever had confirms my belief that when blacks, whites and anybody else start from the same place, blacks do as well as everyone else.<BR/><BR/>We have a stagnant,uptownsetevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09916602253506986040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-7378427828877833752007-05-07T13:57:00.000-04:002007-05-07T13:57:00.000-04:00This is so tiresome.If you drill down on the avera...This is so tiresome.<BR/><BR/>If you drill down on the average auto racing fan you will find many other factors of commonality in which race is probably the most insignificant.<BR/><BR/>They are generally working to lower middle class, predominately Southern or Western and have not finished college.<BR/><BR/>If you drill down on the average murderer of ANY HUE, you will find that they are uptownsetevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09916602253506986040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-41880336518154246172007-05-07T13:40:00.000-04:002007-05-07T13:40:00.000-04:00Steve: The fact that black men commit about half t...Steve: The fact that black men commit about half the murders in the US despite comprising only 6% of the US population does not in any way necessarily indicate a racial predisposition to violence, or even that black men in general are more violent. Only people ignorant of statistics and genetics would make such a conclusion. <BR/><BR/>As an example, white folks comprise about 60% of the US Paul Huehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01276182482853030605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-6383056254473402072007-05-07T13:16:00.000-04:002007-05-07T13:16:00.000-04:00The Black JFK: Republican Support for Obama Raises...<A HREF="http://bluestalkin.blogspot.com/2007/05/black-jfk-republican-support-for-obama_07.html" REL="nofollow">The Black JFK: Republican Support for Obama Raises Red Flags</A><BR/><BR/>When NeoConservatives start issuing accolades for a Democratic candidate, it's time to take notice.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://bluestalkin.blogspot.com/2007/05/black-jfk-republican-support-for-obama_07.html" REL="Nadirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00674871983955369648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-54922955215559190332007-05-07T12:24:00.000-04:002007-05-07T12:24:00.000-04:00"However, it does exist in many schools were acade..."However, it does exist in many schools were academic achievement is not the norm. And it even exists for black kids attending schools where this phenomenon doesn't exist, when those kids get into a situation where they are interacting with black kids who are not academic-minded."<BR/><BR/>I don't believe this.<BR/><BR/>I've heard the term "acting white" all my life and it had nothing to do with uptownsetevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09916602253506986040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16691733.post-37326800850486442802007-05-07T12:05:00.000-04:002007-05-07T12:05:00.000-04:00"However, this does not invalidate the averages. 5..."However, this does not invalidate the averages. 50% of all black kids (including my own!) are born outside of wedlock, and this average is much higher than that of whites, and the average for whites is much higher than that for Asian immigrants."<BR/><BR/>SO WHAT???<BR/><BR/>Being born out of wedlock is not a ticket to dysfunction. <BR/><BR/>May I remind you that Oprah Winfrey, Jesse Jackson anduptownsetevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09916602253506986040noreply@blogger.com