2005-11-17

Bush lied? LOL

Bush's defensive and slippery readings of how he used intelligence leading up to the war have gotten an obsequious hearing here on RL; they've been cited repeatedly and heatedly as fact. Here they are debunked, by an organ--the NYT editorial page--that has been (despite its caricature on Fox and in right-wing blogs) extremely receptive to Bush's agenda re: Iraq. You may think, pace Bush, that you are being patriotic by believing and repeating such official non-sense (I remove Paul Hue at least partially from this charge). I disagree.

"Mr. Bush says everyone had the same intelligence he had - Mr. Clinton and his advisers, foreign governments, and members of Congress - and that all of them reached the same conclusions. The only part that is true is that Mr. Bush was working off the same intelligence Mr. Clinton had. But that is scary, not reassuring. The reports about Saddam Hussein's weapons were old, some more than 10 years old. Nothing was fresher than about five years, except reports that later proved to be fanciful.

Foreign intelligence services did not have full access to American intelligence. But some had dissenting opinions that were ignored or not shown to top American officials. Congress had nothing close to the president's access to intelligence. The National Intelligence Estimate presented to Congress a few days before the vote on war was sanitized to remove dissent and make conjecture seem like fact.

It's hard to imagine what Mr. Bush means when he says everyone reached the same conclusion. There was indeed a widespread belief that Iraq had chemical and biological weapons. But Mr. Clinton looked at the data and concluded that inspections and pressure were working - a view we now know was accurate. France, Russia and Germany said war was not justified. Even Britain admitted later that there had been no new evidence about Iraq, just new politics."

9 comments:

Unknown said...

Oh please. The NYT receptive to President Bush? Give me a break.

What a load of tripe this editorial is. There's nothing here that can't be debated, debunked, or outright disproven.

Do I have to provide you again with the list of quotes from high-ranking Democrats who believed Saddam had WMD and supported the decision to go to war? All this is is another example of how in bed the NYT is with the Democrats and how they'll tow whatever line they have to to bring down the Bush administration.

The NYT is a joke. They no longer have any credibility.

Tom Philpott said...

Remember, this is the paper that employed, gave copious front-page space to, and defended vigorously that mouthpiece of the Bush neocons, Judith Miller.

Moreover, note the editorial doesn't deny that Democrats supported the war; it says they were partially manipulated into doing so by doctored-up, sanitized intelligence from the White House.

Unknown said...

By the way, the bi-partisan 911 comission came to the conclusion that while the Iraq WMD itel may have been flawed, the Bush administration did not manipulate it. Of course this editorial fails to mention that fact.

Also, have you even bothered to read any of the Duelfer report? He states emphatically that after his investigation Saddam was a greater threat than he even he imagined. Again, no mention of this in the NYT editorial.

It's crystal clear to me that the NYT and Democrats goal is, for purely politcal reasons, the complete failure in Iraq and the best way to achieve that goal is the undermining and premature withdrawal of our military from Iraq.

Yes, if left up to them and now, unfortunately a sizeable group of Republicans as well, Iraq will become another Vietnam.

Unknown said...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1137325/posts#comment

Unknown said...

http://www.townhall.com/print/print_story.php?sid=11594&loc=/opinion/columns/larryelder/2004/05/06/11594.html

Unknown said...

Funny how the inquiring minds in the MSM have never followed up on this, isn't it? Whatever happened with that attempted nerve gas attack on Jordan that would have killed tens of thousands people? Tens of thousands of people that could have been killed by WMD that never existed.

And the media isn't biased. Riiiiight.

Unknown said...

Wake the f--- up kids. There's way more at stake here than partisan politics.

Tom Philpott said...

So man's fate depends on support for the neocon agenda? Sounds like wishful thinking.

Alpha Conservative Male said...

Look up the defintion of the word "lie". A person can't lie by mistake. To lie is to "KNOWINGLY" deceive or pervert the truth. No democrat has yet been able to prove that bush purposely made up a story in order to deceive the American public about Iraq. Also, all I hear is Bush and Cheney wanted to go to Iraq for their oil. Do you know how 2nd grade that sounds. Saudi Arabia has the largest oil reserve in the Middle East. Seeing that the 19 hijackers on 911 were all Saudis, bush could have easily made a case to invade Saudi Arabi and thus take their oil. So this makes the whole "War for Oil" "Blood for Oil" arguement look pretty pathetic on face value