2006-05-16

Hoping She'll Drop Out?

Tom Sowell thinks that the Duke Rape DA has scheduled the trial a year away hoping that when the case peters away the nation will have forgotten about it, and he will look like less of a fool. I think also that the DA hopes that the kooky accuser will during this time drop out, and then the DA can use drop the case using the excuse, "the 'victim' was too scared and intimidated to contue, the poor dear, and thus I have no choice but to reluctantly drop the case against these viscious rapists."

Some of the accuser's cable news chatshow supporters are even starting to flip to the defense, thanks to Round 2 of the DNA tests. Some good may come of this: increased awareness of the phenomenon of false rape accusations. Also, smashing of phoney statistics, like "80% of all rape cases lack DNA evidence." In fact, this case has DNA evidence... and plenty of it. This is a very rare instance of a rape case getting prosecuted despite EXCULPATORY DNA evidence. Here, we are to believe that zero DNA gets left by any of three guys brutally beating and raping a woman, but consenual sex with her boyfriend did leave DNA. If only she were white and these punks were black punks instead of white, people like Nadir would recognize these facts. Instead, silent lips -- or lip-flapping support for this false accuser -- will mean a much harder row when this happens next to a black guy. If the accuser of the LA Laker center (mostly like just as much of an asshole as these Duke punks, and certainly wealthier) does turn out to be a white girl, with evidence this flimsy, on what moral ground will Nadir stand in defending him?

Will Nadir be content to sit by silently, rendering no opinion, and merely "let the legal system decide"? Is that what Nadir did with the LA trial of the Rodney King beaters?

6 comments:

Nadir said...

I don't defend accused rapists if I was not in the room when the alleged rape occurred. It's his word against hers.

When the Rodney King trial was going on, most believed that the compelling videotaped evidence of police misconduct would be enough to sway the court. In that trial, the entire world saw the evidence, and 90% of the world came to the conclusion that the cops were guilty.

There is no known videotape of this girl being raped, or not being raped, so there is no comparison. You're grasping at straws.

Paul Hue said...

Did the Scottsboro boys rape the white girl who accused them, and whose testimony convicted them? Lucy Parsons disagreed with the verdict, despite the absense of video tape.

Nadir, do you think that all the convicted black rapists in prison today are factually guilty? What about the many who have been released due to DNA evidence? Prior to their release, somebody like you challanged the verdict. Or maybe I should say, somebody unlike you, somebody willing to doubt -- *SERIOUSLY* doubt -- rape accusations in the absense of clear videotape.

It's sad to know that a white girl has a way to get a black man imprisoned via false accusation with no hope of Nadir questioning her mechanation: accuse him of rape, with no exonerating videotape documenting 100% of the their time together.

Paul Hue said...

People devoted to "justice" typically claim -- as Clarence Darrow did in his day -- that justice can only truly exist if it exists for those whom society most dispises. In Darrow's day, that included black people and poor people. Or, more accuretely, many people despised blacks people and poor people, and for those who despised them, the question of their regard for justice was defined by their capacity to afford it even to blacks and the poor, those whom they despised.

Nadir, you don't despise blacks or poor people. So it requires no effort for you to advocate justice for them. Does your concern for blacks and poor people benefit by your acceptance of a world in which rich white guys can so easily get successfully falsely accused, and can only eventually preserve their freedom by utilizing their fantastic wealth? What, then, of the rest of us, who lack such resources, when you have permitted these processes to exist?

When we get falsely accused of rape, and lack such resources, with the Nadirs of the world declaring that without exculpatory video evidence, they will keep their eyes, mouths, and ears closed? Perhaps the evil Dick Cheney should propose this for his enemies: have secret female agents (or pay female citizens) to file false rape charges against them, ensuring that they describe rape time-frames during which the defendants have no video of themselves.

Nadir said...

Why are you attacking me on this?

I didn't rape anyone, and I am not accusing anyone of rape. I'm not going to stand up for motherfuckers who might be guilty. But I'm not standing up for the victim in this case either because I don't know what happened.

How much money have you donated to the defense of the Duke kids? Until you cut those boys a check, get off my back.

Paul Hue said...

Nadir: I'm trying to draw you into this discussion. As you know -- and can attest -- the sorts of people on the Duke lacrosse team are not my social peers. Even more than that, I have no natural sympathy or concern for the welfare of their lot. I will even take it a step further: I have a natural disdain for them, exemplified by Bill Murray's line from Rushmore, addressing a room full of them, which included his own sons:

"You guys have it real easy. I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and your going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you."

I hope you agree that my own commitment in life applies to generally to "the poor" and to black folks, including wealthy black kids who, sadly, have their own special flaws, including the same ones exemplified by the Duke assholes. And I think that the various injustices attending this Duke case harm the efforts of people like you and me on behalf of "the poor" and blacks. This includes devaluing the cries of "racism" and "rape", and the establishment of popular legal precidents than can later be used to unjustly harm rich asshole black kids, as well as anybody who lacks infinite legal resources.

Selfishly, I consider that I have three daughters. If any of them ever genuinely cries rape, I want that cry taken seriously; I do not want it undermined by a case where the people in the US who most ardently support rape victims have undermined their credability by supporting a transparently fake rape in a highly celebrated case. Nor do I want the pursuit of rape charges to be undermined by prosecuters taking extra-legal actions that can later cause the case to get tossed-out on apeal.

Further, my daughters are "non-white". According to many "black" people, they are "black." If they ever experience anti-black racism, I want that charge taken seriously, and I don't want the people most committed to eradicating such racims to have their credability undermined by a celebrated case in which "racism" was used as a weapon in some petty dispute, and as cover for some petty crimes.

As much as I want girls like these strippers to "take down" guys like the lacrosse jerks, I want this to happen by them operating on the highest level of human conduct, such as besting them in the classroom or the boardroom, not breaking into their cars and stealing their stereos, and not stripping for them, getting into a confrontation over money, then retailiating by tyring to lure the police over with a phoney 911 call to get them arrested for petty alcohol charges, and especially filing fake rape charges in order to avoid subsequent unrelated arrests of their own...

...*ESPECIALLY* if this means undermining the future efforts of people like you, me, or even these girls, operating in a positive mannner.

Paul Hue said...

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20060519_spilbor.html

Here's a pretty good summary of the evidence so far, including why so many people think that the asshole players didn't rape the accuser. Like all people who have this view, this writer leaves open the possiblity that the assholes did rape the girl, and that the DA has a big sercret. However, this article appeared a day or two before the DA handed over to the defense his case file, which contained 1,200 pages... but no bombshells.

Sticking it to these assholes now means it'll be easier in the future to stick it to regular folks who lack massive financial resources.