The timing was damn near perfect on this one. And no surprise at all since this "terror organization" was founded with CIA funds.
Neocons Slinger and Paul Hue will claim this is grounds for an escalation of preemptive civilian murder.
I claim it is more CIA/Mossad disinformation and trickery.
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Amazing. To think Al-Qaida hadn't called for holy war against Israel until now. What have they been waiting for?
Ya know, I got cyber-bitch-slapped the other day by your Alternet pal Joshua for calling him a "Leftist":
Joshua said:
"And what's with all the "leftists like you" crap? When I first came by, I got the impression this was a blog for intelligent discourse among people with opposing views. That 'liberals are evil so we don't have to make substantive arguments' thing is pretty tired, no? Maybe I just got the wrong impression."
I guess this rule doesn't apply to you continually calling Paul and me "neocons" and "right-wingers" does it?
Six: Nadir commits quite a bit of unsubstantiated name calling, if you ask me. You can find plenty of exchanges wherein I articulate a list of facts and logic, and Nadir retorts in full: "You're a racist motherfucker." He might even toss in another ad hominum: "... no matter how many mixed race babies you have."
Nadir: I don't understand your point or points here. Please explain what you intend for us to conclude from Al Qiada declaring war on Isreal.
You note that Al Qaida "was founded with CIA funds." I don't know if that's true; I assume you refer to US supporting Bin Laden, etc. in Afgahnistan vs. the Soviets. Are you implying that the US should compound that mistake 20 years ago by continuing to support a group that now seeks to re-create the Islamic Empire (built then on violent conquest, rape, cultural imperialism, and slavery) in Arabia, North Africa, South Europe, and Western Asia under a blanket of totalitarianism?
Or are you implying that Al Qaida exists only as a secret ghost of the CIA (which opposed the CIA and tried to get Bush impeached in the Plame-Wilsion sham)?
Paul said: "Nadir commits quite a bit of unsubstantiated name calling, if you ask me."
And I admit I've been guilty of it myself at times as well, to which you've taken me task over. It's very easy to resort to name calling though.
So let me get this straight:
You guys aren't "right-wingers"? In fact, the phrase I use is "right-wingnuts", which is more fun for me. I know neither of you is insane. If you were I would understand some of the twisted views you express.
You guys perhaps don't consider yourselves "neocons" yet you do nothing but parrot the neoconservative line. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and supports the bombing of innocent civilians like a duck...
I have expressed to Paul over and over again that he exhibits racist tendencies. I've known Paul for a few years now, and I know he has a good heart, and I count him as a good friend. However, he refuses to admit his racist tendencencies, so as a friend who cares about him, it is my duty to point out when he is being a "racist motherfucker". (He certainly won't deny that he has fucked some mothers from time to time.)
If you kind gentlemen are offended by my use of what Paul would probably otherwise call "harmless perjoratives" if he were slinging them at my mother or father, I will refrain from such foul language.
I know that name-calling isn't nice, but since you guys have no problem insulting Muslims or blacks or Arabs or in Paul's case, his own children, I believed it was okay. Fine nothing but PC from here on out. But you guys have to follow the rules as well...
As for Al-Qaeda I will state this for the record only once.
The following are my beliefs. They are speculation, hypothesis, perhaps you might call them "theories" based on years of research and observation, but I have no concrete evidence. However, any knucklehead with a lick of sense and half a brain who would open his/her eyes instead of being brainwashed by right-wing propaganda would seriously consider the following:
The United States government supported the funding and founding of Osama Bin Laden and the so-called terror group Al-Qaeda.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/190144.asp
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
Both the US and Israeli intelligence agencies have at best planted agent provacateurs within the organization, at worst committed criminal acts under the guise of Al-Qaeda.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3884.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4513.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html
Strong evidence suggests that some (hopefully not all) of the terrorist actions that are attributed to Al-Qaeda are false flag ops.
http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2004/062504falseflag.htm
http://www.rense.com/general21/was911mossad.htm
http://www.progressiveconvergence.com/nuclearfalseflagmail.htm
http://deeperpolitics.gnn.tv/blogs/7329/Examples_of_documented_False_Flag_Terrorism
http://topplerummy.org/berg/
The inclusion of the WTC Towers and Mohammed Atta in the Al-Qaeda video is just over the top. Before these guys were doing videotapes in caves. Bin Laden is still releasing his many hit records on cassette. How did they get such an elaborate studio for this broadcast, but not the others? It looked like Jon Stewart's set!
I just don't buy it.
My theory: Al-Qaeda, which began as a CIA proxy organization continues to this day as such. Perhaps some people who follow its ideology are for real (the real danger of false flag operations), but most of the group's actions serve the purpose of the Bush administration and Israel's agenda - to destabalize the Middle East and to turn the world against ALL of Islam, not just radical Islamists. They are part of a holy war that is being waged against Islam, not the other way around.
Again, the true danger is that between propaganda that is attributed to Al-Qaeda and the actions of Israel and the US government, many REAL Islamic terrorists are being created. The world is nowhere near as safe as it was before Bush came to power.
And 911 is partially to blame for that.
Guess what? 911? False flag op carried out, at best, with complicity of the Bush regime, at worst, directed by the Bush regime.
Look at the evidence. Don't ask me questions until you've looked at the evidence.
Class dismissed.
Nadir: When I call your dad gay it's obvious a joke, with no basis in fact. I could not support my allegation with any facts. But when you call me racist, you are not making a joke; you are issuing an earnest conclusion. But you support your conclusion either with nothing, or with explanations which I dismiss, such as my using some of the same phrases you employ here ("negro"). When I call you a racist, as I do here, I give a reason, and I think it's rock-solid: when a person opposes affirmative action, you have a label for that person, but you first need to know the person's "race".
When I use phrases like "muslim retards" I always clearly explain who I'm talking about: people who want to force all humans in their midst to obey what they consider to be islamic personal codes of conduct.
What offends me about your name-calling of Walter Williams is that you can't justify it; you either just toss out the term with no explanation, or employ a an illogical explanation. In your explanation above, you call these black republicans puppets, toms, or whatever, simply on the basis of their concurrance with white republicans. But what do you call the white republicans who agree with Bush? Are they any less of a puppet than the black republicans? Can't you treat blacks who act like white republicans the same as you do the white republicans? By the way, Butler supports Affirmative Action and Minimum Wage laws, and not just because these are popular with the public. On the one hand, this costs him some votes in the repo primary, but on the other hand, his overall appeal to repos is so great that he more so than any other repo can attract repo primary votes from those who would never support somebody who holds these views.
And do you really think that wealthy people make more money off of the black impoverished population than they lose from the costs created by this population? Do you really think that people in the subburbs (I suppose for you I'm talking about whites here) want anything for black people other than education, prosperity, upward economic progress, tax payments, and law obeyment? Haven't you been reading the right wingnut economic literature? These guys claim that rich people make more money from rich populations than from poor populations. You cannot find any documented advocacy of a poor population operating as a source of wealth-generation for rich people.
Finally, you keep calling me and Six "ideologues" and "party liners", rather than simply countering our assessments. But how are you any less of an "ideologue" or "party liner" for your views?
And remember, between the two of us, only I have ever changed my views. And I have not switched to any neat party that you can pin me to. What pro-Isreali people do you know besides me who considers zionism and even judiasm to be racist? What Bush voters, besides me, have you ever heard declare that christianity is a fairy tale, and supports gay marriage, abortion, stem cell research funding, and expulsion of a bibles from courthouses and "God" from the currency? Where have you read, except in my postings here, anybody who supports Isreal's invasion... but has now started doubting it?
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