Okay, this is about ridiculous.After Mel Gibson's anti-Jewish tirade, he went to rehab for alcohol problems. Michael Richards couldn't explain his niggardly attack on a couple of hecklers, and though he insists he doesn't have a drug or alcohol problem, he checked himself into rehab.
Now Isaiah Washington uses the word "faggot" to describe his Grey's Anatomy castmate, T.R. Knight, and after first denying he said it, Washington later admitted his transgression.
"I can neither defend nor explain my behavior," he wrote in the public apology he issued. "I can also no longer deny to myself that there are issues I obviously need to examine within my own soul, and I’ve asked for help."
So Isaiah Washington checked himself into rehab for psychological treatment.
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"Niggerdly"? Exessively frugal?
I agree it's rediculous; people should just ignore such comments, or at least repond to them calmly and without all manner of outrage and requirements of appologies and firing.
I will add to this sorry list that John Kerry "botched joke." Why did so many of my right-winged buddies choose to get so angry about that? It's just nonsense.
don't forget Mark Foley. Where did he go after his pervy missives came to light? Rehab.
Tom: But in Foley's case, he did something tangible that warrants opposition and action. These other guys merely spoke some words to other presumed adults.
"I agree it's rediculous; people should just ignore such comments, or at least repond to them calmly and without all manner of outrage and requirements of appologies and firing."
Translation:
"Why can't the niggres and fags just bend over and take the abuse passively like they used to in the good ol days."
Like I told you before Paul, calling a black man a nigger where he can hear can get you seriously hurt.
Paul's outrage is selective as usual.
Yo Paul, wasn't it very wrong for former Republican Maryland Governor Bob Ehrlich to hold a fundraiser at a "whites-only" country club?
And if so, wasn't his black Lt. Governor Mike Steele's reaction to the fundraiser that he couldn't even attend ("it was no big deal") ridiculous at best and slavish at worse?
Answer please.
Thesaurus.com also provides niggardly as a synonym for mean and contemptable.
Everybody is going to rehab these days. I just mentioned Mel, Michael and Isaiah because their rehab was for discriminatory outbursts. Foley's cyberpedophilia was actually crazy.
Bill Bennett didn't go to rehab and he was talking genocide.
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wasn't it very wrong for former Republican Maryland Governor Bob Ehrlich to hold a fundraiser at a "whites-only" country club? And if so, wasn't his black Lt. Governor Mike Steele's reaction to the fundraiser that he couldn't even attend ("it was no big deal") ridiculous at best and slavish at worse?
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If indeed that club bans non-whites, I share your view here.
I only know of niggerdly to mean miserly.
I don't think that Bill Bennet's comments were racist.
Paul
Of course you don't.
But answer this Paul.
Using Bennett's theory, wouldn't crime decrease if every white baby were aborted?
So why then, if his remarks were not racist, did Bennett single out "black babies"?
The whole "niggardly" situation was an example of a white smart ass thinking he was slick.
Why the hell would a white guy go in front of a roomful of blacks and use an obscure word that could easily be misinterpreted if he was trying to be slick?
Dave Howard, the white guy in question, is gay.
I wonder how he would have felt if some black dude went in front of a bunch of white gays and said "I'm going to burn my fireplace tonight so I need to pick up a faggot of wood."
Perfectly legitimate word, but why even go there?
Steve: Bennett could have chosen many examples, but he looked for one that would be immediately abhorrent. A caller broached the claim that abortion's legalization and popularity in the 1970s had led to the drastic crime reduction of the 1990s because low income people are more likely to abort, and to commit crimes. The caller suggested that this collective good justified what Bennett had characterized as a collective bad of killing what he considers to be babies.
So he picked one accurate example of where this line of reasoning would take you, which is to clearly unacceptable actions. He knows that nobody today would want to kill all black people, even if this would also lead to lower crime (as you know, for most street crimes, blacks commit more per capita than most other groups).
He should not have chosen blacks for this example, because there are so many super-sensitive people like you and Nadir out there to throw hissy fits. He could have suggested killing all men, because men of all races commit more of these crimes than women of all races, but that would have been doubly preposterous because nobody could reproduce. Yes, he could have used the example of killing all whites, provided that enough Asians would immigrate in to replace them, as whites commit more of these crimes per capita than Asians in the US.
He was not advocating killing blacks; he was using his opposition to such a thing, which he assumed he shared with his audience, to advocate against abortions. Speaking of abortions and racism, a real racist would support abortion, since without it the black population in the US would be higher than it is now; Bennett opposes abortion and has made this point.
Very good attempt at spin but totally specious.
The notion of killing white babies would elicit as much outrage as the idea of killing black babies, no?
If not, why not?
Bennett spoke of aborting blacks to reduce crime because he, like his target audience (white rightwing racists like you) immediately associate blacks with crime.
Period.
End of story.
He knows that although 99% of blacks do not commit robbery, murder, rape, grand theft auto, burglary, etc, that their composition in crime stats in all these areas greatly exceeds their 12% population composition. But what he should have kept uppermost in his mind is the great number of people like you who will interpret factual and intelligent discussion of such matters as "racist," and create a loud angry stink over it.
In deference to people like you, he should have said: "Japanese should abort all whites in Japan because whites in Japan commit more crimes per capita than Japanese". Although true, this is a little-known fact, but it would keep people like you from raising an unjustified hissy fit.
If he knows that 99% of the black community are not criminals then why did he suggest aborting every black baby?
Why didn't he limit it to ghetto babies, just for instance?
"He knows that nobody today would want to kill all black people, even if this would also lead to lower crime (as you know, for most street crimes, blacks commit more per capita than most other groups)."
More than hispanics?
I don't believe that for a second.
The street crime in poor hispanic urban areas is identical to black ghettos.
And whites committ more white collar crime than any other group.
Poor whites committ more violent crime than middle class blacks.
We can go on and on.
People like you and Bennett have just concluded that blacks=crime is logical equation.
"Poor whites committ more violent crime than middle class blacks."
I agree.
And poor whites commit per capita no less crime than similarly poor blacks.
So crime is not a racial issue but an economic one and Bill Bennett in particular is a vile racist.
We're all agreement.
I do not agree that Bennett is a racist.
I agree that crime is an economic / personal choice issue, and that no "race" has any genetic disposition towards committing crime. However, different groups of people at different times and places have different average incidences of making choices. For example, among affluent whites and Asians, the Asian kids are choosing to take better high school classes, to study more, and to commit fewer crimes. The cops in the subburbs will get more complaints per capita of white rich kids committing DWI and doing drugs than for Asian kids.
So I do see some cultural factors.
"For example, among affluent whites and Asians, the Asian kids are choosing to take better high school classes, to study more, and to commit fewer crimes. The cops in the subburbs will get more complaints per capita of white rich kids committing DWI and doing drugs than for Asian kids."
This is total bullshit.
What the heck are "better high school classes"?
How does one determine that calculus is a "better high school class" than classic literature?
And white kids, as noted by the CDC, do more drugs than blacks, hispanics and Asians and thus commit more crimes (since drug use is illegal).
You are determined to assign a "racial heirarchy" of behavior and accomplishment and it's GARBAGE.
And don't give me the "culture" bit because that's just code for race.
You beat this "Asians are winning" drivel because the Asians are no real threat to white dominance.
Although successful as a group, they still are very small in number, aren't politically aggressive and don't dominate any particular area of American life.
So you can play the "I'm not a white supremacist because I acknowledge the greatness of Asians" game.
All the while hammering home the "statistical" discrepancies for blacks without acknowledging the incredible accomplishments of black people in the face of persistent and endemic American racism.
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How does one determine that calculus is a "better high school class" than classic literature?
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Those are equal, top-quality courses. And they both trump courses such as:
- gym
- "office sciences"
- "business"
- "career awareness"
- "modern technology"
University admissions officers do indeed rate "course selection quality" in assessing academic credentials. This is one way that a student with a 3.3 GPA can be more valued than one with a 3.6 GPA.
The easiest way to distinguish courses is to calculate the fraction of courses designated as "Advanced Placement" (AP). On this front lots of data exist for students of similar economic and social factors. Asians students take more, whites second, and blacks least, at the same schools and with similar backgrounds. An African sociologist conducted a very famous study of this for a Cleveland suburb that's about about half black/white.
Steve: ===============
And white kids, as noted by the CDC, do more drugs than blacks, hispanics and Asians and thus commit more crimes (since drug use is illegal).
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Whites do indeed commit more drug-consumption crimes per capita than do blacks and hispanics. Good for you recognizing that different groups make different choices.
When it comes to other crimes, as you have read posted before, blacks per capita lead. Of course those data do not adjust for economics, so we expect that all the rapists, burglers, and murderers of any "race" heavily tend to be from poor circumstances.
Steve: ======================
You are determined to assign a "racial heirarchy" of behavior and accomplishment and it's GARBAGE. And don't give me the "culture" bit because that's just code for race.
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I am determined only to form conclusions forced upon me by the facts and my best efforts at rational analysis.
Do native US blacks and immigrant Africans belong to the same "race"? They certainly have different average outcomes on such matters as academics, employment, etc.
Steve: ============================
Although successful as a group, they still are very small in number, aren't politically aggressive and don't dominate any particular area of American life.
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Why Steve, you are making generalizations about a group of people who you assign to a particular "race". Not politically aggressive? Oh, my. (Are black people politically aggressive?) When I do that you call me a "racist."
At UC-Berkely and other elite public schools, Asians certainly dominate! They outnumber honkies in the sciences and engineering!
Steve: ===========================
All the while hammering home the "statistical" discrepancies for blacks without acknowledging the incredible accomplishments of black people in the face of persistent and endemic American racism.
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Please cite any "incredible accomplishments of black people" that I fail to acknowledge. Nadir can report that the contents of my home -- hundreds of books (*read* books!) prominently displayed (face-first on display racks, like in a books store), plus paintings -- represent but one datum falsifying that conclusion.
"Do native US blacks and immigrant Africans belong to the same "race"? They certainly have different average outcomes on such matters as academics, employment, etc."
Oh really? Prove it here with evidence.
If you do, I'll never post on your blog again.
Go ahead Paul. Shut me up with proof.
A lot of immigrant Africans come to the US on student visas.
SPECIFICALLY TO BE EDUCATED.
There are also a lot of African cab drivers, street vendors, laborers etc...
"At UC-Berkely and other elite public schools, Asians certainly dominate! They outnumber honkies in the sciences and engineering!'
Another lie.
Prove it with evidence Paul.
"Why Steve, you are making generalizations about a group of people who you assign to a particular "race". Not politically aggressive? Oh, my. (Are black people politically aggressive?)"
When I do that you call me a "racist."
Okay wiseass.
Name the Asian political action group.
How about an Asian lobbying group.
Name an Asian congressman.
Go ahead.
Steve: I agree with you about Asians. But here you are taking data (no Asian PACs, congressmen, etc.) and using it to reach a general conclusion. You do that here about Asians, and about honkies all the time. But when I do this for blacks, you call me a racist.
"Good for you recognizing that different groups make different choices."
What choices do Italians make?
How about Mongolians?
You're a moron.
"You do that here about Asians, and about honkies all the time. But when I do this for blacks, you call me a racist."
What you do is not remotely comparable to what I've just proven.
You claim blacks work harder at sports and music than academics yet there are far more black college graduates than professional athletes or musicians.
You claim blacks make poor "choices" yet 99% of blacks are law abiding citizens.
My statements about Asians were based on facts. There are no Asian political action groups.
But your remarks about blacks are based on hate and ignorance.
That's why you blather on blogs Paul.
If you spewed this nonsense on the NYT or NEWSBLOG boards, you'd be ridiculed.
Steve: =====================
You claim blacks work harder at sports and music than academics yet there are far more black college graduates than professional athletes or musicians. You claim blacks make poor "choices" yet 99% of blacks are law abiding citizens.
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Your reading and math comprehension problems continue to undermine our discourse. I understand that more blacks earn their livings as bankers and engineers than rappers and ball players. But in the realm of banking, engineering, law practice, etc., blacks do not reach their 12% of the US population. However, where people earn their livings in various forms of music and sports, blacks exceed their 12%.
In previous discussions with you I showed how black high schools (over 90% black) that produce low average standardized test scores and other measures of academic ratings simultaneously produce outstanding sports teams. As an anecdotally example I relayed my experience at Detroit's last Thanksgiving Day parade when several of these high schools, as well as several white-majority high schools (at least 5 of each), put their marching bands on display. The quality of these bands were all excellent; I would even say that most would rate two of the black bands as the best on display that day. Precise, regimented marching and crisp, loud music.
Commentators on behalf of these same schools claim that lack of money and racism accounts for the poor average academic performances for these schools. Yet these schools produce excellent bands and sports teams.
As far as blacks "making bad choices", this conclusion of mine does not apply to all blacks, and certainly not the countless blacks that I know personally who out-earn me and have greater wealth and credit scores than I do; it does not apply to any blacks working as bankers, lawyers, etc. Instead, I offer this conclusion to explain why it is that in various fields of success blacks fail to meet the 12% mark commensurate with their fraction of the US population.
I also offer this conclusion to explain why whites similarly lag Asian immigrants.
You demonstrate your own capability to make general conclusions about people, including our conclusion that racism is rampant among whites and that a greater fraction of whites consume illegal drugs than blacks. When you also demonstrate an incapacity to accept other people making similar fact-based conclusions about blacks.
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A lot of immigrant Africans come to the US on student visas. SPECIFICALLY TO BE EDUCATED. There are also a lot of African cab drivers, street vendors, laborers etc...
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Africans and Asians on students visas do not figure into these statistics, except when calculating compositions of university student bodies.
Yes, many Africans work as laborers. Many also goof off in school. But on average, they have higher incomes and wealth even then the average white native American. Collectively, they make better choices than do native whites, and native blacks.
"In previous discussions with you I showed how black high schools (over 90% black) that produce low average standardized test scores and other measures of academic ratings simultaneously produce outstanding sports teams."
YOU DID NOT!!!!!
You mentioned ONE high school Inkster but provided no data on their academic standing but only that their football team was state ranked.
Still waiting on your proof that African have higher incomes and wealth than native Americans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_outcomes_in_the_United_States_by_race_and_other_classifications
Here's some data showing that even for simliar incomes Asian kids outscore whites on average on the SAT, and whits outscore blacks.
My reading on this subject leads me to conclude that these differences derive from:
1. Course choices, one of the biggest determinants in SAT scores. Students who take more AP and academic courses score higher on the SAT.
2. Study hours. Students who study more get higher GPAs and learn the subjects better. If the courses are academic courses, this leads to higher SAT scores.
3. Reading. Students who have read more books tend to score higher on the SAT, both on math and verbal.
4. Writing. Students who have written more essays prior to taking the SAT tend to score higher on both math and verbal.
"Your reading and math comprehension problems continue to undermine our discourse. I understand that more blacks earn their livings as bankers and engineers than rappers and ball players. But in the realm of banking, engineering, law practice, etc., blacks do not reach their 12% of the US population. However, where people earn their livings in various forms of music and sports, blacks exceed their 12%."
And you attribute that to CHOICES???
It takes money to be trained as an engineer or lawyer.
Whereas the music and sports industries are populated by people (of all races) from humble backrounds who succeeded on God-Given talent.
Why do you think that at one time the NBA, NFL and boxing were dominated by white ethnics?
These were poor children of immigrants who saw sports as a way out of their condition.
This "data" is so questionable.
Why did they just cherrypick one year, 1995?
How many white families are making less than 10,000.
There are so many holes to be poked in this.
"It takes money to be trained as an engineer or lawyer."
It takes no more money for kids in high school to pick better classes and study harder. As that one group of data showed, even for the same income levels Asians are beating whites and whites blacks. Other studies support the choices as the explanation: Asians CHOOSE to take more AP classes than whites, and whites more than blacks (ON AVERAGE, I must remember to keep stating that when discoursing with you, Steve!).
"Why did they just cherrypick one year, 1995?"
Steve, go cherry pick some other years disputing these findings.
"Why do you think that at one time the NBA, NFL and boxing were dominated by white ethnics? These were poor children of immigrants who saw sports as a way out of their condition."
Choice, as I say; they made this assessment, and chose to focus their efforts on this. However, poor Asian immigrants are making different choices.
"Choice, as I say; they made this assessment, and chose to focus their efforts on this. However, poor Asian immigrants are making different choices."
This is so much garbage.
A lot of these Asian immigrants come here with education and professional training that they cannot market in America.
The Korean who owned the cleaners in the neighborhood I used to live in in DC was a chemist by training in his native country.
"Other studies support the choices as the explanation: Asians CHOOSE to take more AP classes than whites, and whites more than blacks"
Prove it.
Still waiting for the proof of your other assertions.
The US Military Academies are primarily engineering and science training centers.
Far more blacks at the academies than Asians Paul.
Why do you think that is?
Steve: I don't have time to dig up proof in every one of the conclusions I have reached and re-posited here. Every time I do that you just move onto some other claim that I have made.
Here you are claiming that at US military academies:
1. Most students major in engineering and science.
2. More students "by far" at these schools are black than Asian.
Can you post here "proof" of this? Don't bother; I accept your claims here. I also, unlike you, understand statistics.
The fact that Asians more than whites and whites more than blacks on average enroll in these subjects does not mean that at some schools more blacks than whites and more whites than blacks will take these subjects. At all the HBCU engineering schools more blacks have these majors than whites or Asians.
All of my research indicates that many blacks do choose these majors, and when they take these majors seriously, they do very well. However, per capita, blacks choose these majors less frequently than whites, and whites less than Asians in the US.
Why is it that at the US military academies more blacks attend than Asians? I do not know. I assume that as in all of the factors that we discuss, more blacks take an interest than Asians in attending these schools.
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